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"None shall pass." Not a very nice thing to say given what a huge mtf fanbase Battletech has nowadays, is it?

I played a game with a medium mech that mounted NINE improved jumpjets and man was that thing anti-fun, I can't imagine bringing a LAM to a game unironically

they are lame, but I love them

Pre Purge, For me it was about Dropping in Scouts that were more about exposing targets, Sure If neede Tag was Deployed for main units. If I would have known a ref was just going to wipe out our units, I would have had better sit rep and overcome the trick that would not be accepted by anyone playing first time.

saying lam are lame is like roman heavy infantry saying hit and run cavalry archery is lame because it beat them or polish cavalry vs tank ...if i can engage you then fly to attack you 300 km away how can your 50 kph heavy mech follow just lke the french in ww2 ...

I recall in one of the games that allowed heavy customization: ditch the AC10 for an ultra AC5, add a ton of LRM ammo, swap the ER LL and machine guns for a torso mounted PPC = you have a bushwacker that is a long range support platform that pairs nicely with a typical LRM-boat like a catapult. Made for an excellent AI-ally mech. Behind you, up on the hill, taking potshots from safety while you were in the shit. PPC and UAC5 ranged as far as the LRMs, its still hard to hit and agile.

I have some appreciation to the old-school approach to game balance which basically boils down to "huh, what's that?" I think games with choices with obvious or sometimes less-obvious strengths and flaws can give the world a degree of verisimilitude which can add a lot to a game that has heavy role-playing elements. LAMs I think are an artifact of this era of game development, and are also one of those things that was so obviously broken they forced developers to actually start paying attention to balance, because there's fun imbalance that can be more-or-less solved with systems like Battle Value, or by having a Game Master who uses flawed units as OPFOR to give the PCs a sneaky leg up, but then there's un-fun imbalance like flying mechs that game the game last 20 turns with little interaction because they skew the rolls of the game so hard and offer such little opportunity for counter-play, and LAMs fall into that second category.

Since this video's release a few new variants have been released. The GTD-30S is even more battlemastery, and pretty cheap for what it does. And the GTD-20C is a horror show. Ferrolam and upgrades all its weapons to clanspec. And on top of that it's actually not that expensive for a mech that hits as hard and is as tough as it is.

The easy way to rectify these seeming continuity errors is to recognize that the stats in the TROs are not for the mechs as they existed during the star league, it is a representation of how those chassis performed after the typical wear and tear, refits, replacement of damaged equipment, and jury-rigging for hundreds of years of Succession wars. You kind of have to accept that a lot of the game stats are simplifications. "AC/20" is used to represent dozens of different models of cannon, that all have technically slightly different performance "in real world". And a cannon that started out in the Star League performing as an "Ultra AC/20" might only perform as an "AC/20" after hundreds of years of use and lack of proper replacement parts, despite being the same model of cannon.

Re-reading Wolves on the Border and I have found exactly one LAM use I liked. There is a LAM in Jaime Wolf’s command lance that serves as a scout and emergency messenger. Of course this has no use in tabletop.

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Big Red "it's a war crimes mech" Me: ruclips.net/video/xAkHTRZVs-k/видео.htmlsi=IJ2iGO5z1rF-IHDu

I feel like if they are going to bring them back, that they need to get rid of the airmech part of the transformation. Create some narrative reason, it just doesn't work, too expensive, something like that. If they're forced to either be an aerospace fighter or a mech, it still retains some of the novelty of being a high-mobility mech asset, but loses the mobility that makes them so frustrating. That's if they are going to come back, get rid of the airmech, and you have some of the anime protagonist novelty if someone wants that.

Oh, that sounds nice! Data sheet or MegaMek file when? ;D

I don’t care what anyone says; Stone’s atlas II skull camo is the most high schooler edgelord thing in existence

“Aww jeez Billy, your dad lets you have TWO Gauss rifles??”

Unlike LAMs, quads make me sad cause the logic behind them is totally reasonable. (I.e. higher stability/moving turret) It’s just a shame that *most* aren’t executed well.

Love me the good ol’ bushie. While not perfect by any means, it’s a solid workhorse and/or flex role mech for any lance. Great for skirmish and cleanup. Also the X4 is a nasty lil bugger; wounded mechs beware cause it will devour them

Damn, thought it was a real mec! Can we get this thing in MW5?

Ironic, the force that pushed the star league into gunslinger would test its skills against those again.

The savannah master is the future equivalent of "All men, fix bayonets!"

So what I am hearing is your not a fan of LAMs... Having been a fan of both Robotech and Battletech back in the day even then I wasn't a fan of the LAM concept for tabletop and I can't remember ever fielding one or one of my friends playing one. Didn't feel like it fit in the setting from a gameplay standpoint. Then when you add in the setting being one of struggling to maintain tech trying to keep a LAM operational is difficult to buy.

I love these when they’re mine.

Loved it! I hate LAMS, will never use them, would never play against them, won’t allow them to exist in my BT universe. You are absolutely right to say they don’t fit in BT. Forever a believer in “Keep anime in anime.”

Even in Veritech i never really understand why the hell you would want your aerospace fighter to be able to turn into a goddamn robot.

:) as a battletech player, harmony gold is the most hated.

Lame-Ass-Mechs? Lol. Relics of old Macross copies (and I'm never going to refer to the SITH Murikens call Lobotek). Edit: Also, depending on where you are in the world, even across the US, actually HG is very much hated. Definitely not "much loved".

Damn I want a horror novel with this beast as the antagonist now

I personally feel that LAMs make sense as a technology that they would try to make in universe but it should have never really led anywhere because they do feel weird overall. I will say I do want them to make minis for them but purely because I think they look cool and I would like to collect them but after hearing how they work on the tabletop I would like to never have to deal with them there. Overall though like I said I really like the appearance of most of them so I would really like to have them in mini form for my collection just to look at and appreciate.

someone had to say it

I love the Quads. Their side step maneuver can flank an unaware opponent. The legs add armor and stability but sacrifice the carrying capacity of arms. I, for one, am fond of the Scorpion and Goliath.

now just remembered MW3 intro scene then some lights jumps of the building swich mode to like glider shots few missiles and and get annihilated for all I know that was extend of transforming mech in Battletech universe. And I do not think its needs any more. As BT is more grounded heaver and grinder universe to have flying op ticks to jump around. Maybe in very limited Elemental size form with more glide down option but not flight continuously and seriously not medium or heavy ( Seriously I am more MW fan than BT extended universe )

Ah yes I love Light Horse Archers that have the resilience of heavy infantry

The best LAM is literally a spicy clantech'd Griffin 2N... and it was made by... THE WORD OF BLAKE! PRAISE BE TO BLAKE! (just give me the spicy griffin, it'll probably last longer)

Minmei The true hero !!!

I love LAMs. They're crazy, and not particularly good to use, but I still love them.

My friend hates me for using LAMs. I only love LAMs when I'm using them.

Hate Clan Wolf, hates Urban Mechs, hates LAMS. This guy hits all the right notes.

I was a legendary backer for MWO along with my brother who grew up together in Mechwarrior and to a lesser extent Battletech. We REALLY wanted to see this game get made and played it from day dot right up to my brother's death. While MW5 was a vit of a disappointment for me, overall i love it and playing coop missions with my brother were some of the best days I've ever had. I'm very grateful to other backers like yourself that believes in this as much as we did, because it gave us something I'll never forget and rebirthed this franchise.

First up, NO. I dislike LAM's, but Lame? Strikecraft that transform into giant stompy robots will NEVER be lame as a concept. Ineffective? Probably the case here. Out of place? Absolutely. Obscuring the glory of ASF and the merits of combined arms? I feel so. But lame? NO Transformers was actually part of the drama with HG via licensing of Macross toys and designs. Literally the first Jetfire toy. Honestly, depending on the context, I'd argue the rigid mechanical stiffness might have become overemphasized, but the LAM transformations do certainly feel implausible for Battletech. I care about the Urbie LAM because it's a joke at customers' expense. No LAM models would be more respectful to the players who love them than a joke model. And, if I may speculate based on limited information, given teh comparative lack of anything I've heard of about Macross, those robotech/Macross fans may still be coming to battletech because their content wells are dry, forcing substitution, especially for those outside Japan. For me, they don't take away from mechs, they take away from Aerospace Fighters. The high flying strike craft which ironically help ground the setting to make it distinct from things like Macross and Gundam. Mechs aren't the Be All End All in Battletech. They're powerful to be sure, but they aren't for every problem, and especially not for every budget. They can't do everything better than conventional designs, and there are some conventional designs whose roles battlemechs just flat out CAN'T do. Which is what REALLY sets Battletech apart from other mech/giant robot centric franchises. But this only shows when combined arms comes into play, and there's less likely to be interest in having more conventional air support when your mech can fly. Best I could suggest for weakness for Air Mech mode would be that weapon platforms with the AA quirk get a much bigger bonus to hit than against normal aircraft or LAM's in pure air mode. And maybe an increased accuracy penalty for moving in air mech mode. If they every come back in force.

From a logistics standpoint, LAMs are the only mechs you need. An Overlord can deliver 42 fighters that become helicopters or mechs as needed to complete a mission. Union? 14. Leopard? 6. You are now dealing with modern warfare cranked to 11, only the carrier needs to sortie only Harriers that are also tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

I love the variant with two Gauss rifles and an ER PPC.

Is clans a official game or a fan made game

New Challenge Find a LAM pilot that doesn't listen to the Code Geass in their cockpit (Impossible)

But how do you really feel about them, down deep?

So Quad Vees next?

Question i should've asked in my last post. Simply because the 'idea' of these craft or similarly made ones(like a mech that can go from walking to moving on wheels) are appealing to from what i understand, though could be wrong. lesser states that are less well equipped. where a mech like this that can do multiple roles, all be it worse than dedicated single role mechs. simply because said mech would appear cheaper than fielding two or three mechs or military hardware units to do the same task. I'm just a bit curious is all. If asked, by say those in charge of the rules. What would you change rule wise. With complete removal not being an option. That you would find them 'acceptable' to have, but still allowing your refusal to use or play with anyone who has them ala savannah master horde? Having the mech's transformation stop being a free action?(should be a given though i may have misunderstood your explanation of the rules) as in you the player spends a turn on those mechs to changer from one form to the next, no skipping from mech to plane in a single turn? So to go from mech to plane, you have to spend a turn to get to the half point. then another turn to the plane? Putting them in a sub-light armor class all their own making a pidgeon laser effective? Have their extreme movement speed be a risk/reward by greatly upping the amount of heat the mech generates in moving under half and full plane mode? So that using a full range would cause a full overheat? intact strict weight requirements? i mean it's supposed to fly right? can't be carting around similar amounts of arms and armor to a light mech? double or triple the piloting skill rolls and reqs? after all it's 2-3 in one, right?

They will probably have the hells horses do something similar to the quadvees....a WIGI mech like that protomech ( I forgot it's name).....and likewise...a half LAM.....a fighter that converts to airmech mode only. They would say "Hells Horses have moved past Mongol doctrine and have evolved into Blitzkrieg warfare to strike at those They deem unworthy CLAN WOLF!" 😂